Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 November 27

November 27

Category:Alsean languages

Propose renaming Category:Alsean languages to Category:Alsean peoples

Nominator's rationale: Two of the three applicable articles are about the ethnic groups, not the language(s). Arctic Circle System (talk) 23:35, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, the tribes are already in Category:Native American tribes in Oregon, the language articles is already in appropriate language categories, and the tribes articles and the language article link to each other in the body text. There is no need for a mixed bag category like this. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:40, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the articles are adequately categorized and connected without this cstegory.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:32, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Alsea is a language isolate. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 07:33, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sailors at the 2008 Vintage Yachting Games

Propose deleting Category:Sailors at the 2008 Vintage Yachting Games
Propose deleting Category:Sailors at the 2012 Vintage Yachting Games
Propose deleting Category:2008 Vintage Yachting Games
Propose deleting Category:2012 Vintage Yachting Games

Nominator's rationale: It's not defining for the total of three articles in Category:Sailors at the 2008 Vintage Yachting Games and Category:Sailors at the 2012 Vintage Yachting Games to have been at the minor events. The two other categories would then be C2F. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 16:11, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:43, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:42, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ceramic art dealers

Propose deleting Category:Ceramic art dealers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: underpopulated category. delete for now. I've already added the two people to their respective art dealers by nationality category ^SMason_Garrison 14:38, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:45, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support delete for nominator's reasons Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 02:02, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:42, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Quakers executed in colonial America

Propose merging Category:Quakers executed in colonial America to Category:17th-century Protestant martyrs

Nominator's rationale: these two pages are already interlinked. this category isn't really helpful for navigation ^SMason_Garrison 03:55, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, these Quakers were executed by Protestants, and Quakers are only borderline Protestants themselves. Other people in the target category were executed by Catholics, so the context is quite different. I think it can better be merged to Category:17th-century Christian martyrs. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:36, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/Rename Quakers were treated quite differently than Protestants in colonial America. Sources demonstrate this Quakers executed for religious beliefs and Quakers fight for religious freedom in Puritan Massachusetts, 1656-1661. Rename to Category:Quakers executed by the Thirteen Colonies--User:Namiba 19:47, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But there are only two pages in the category. ^SMason_Garrison 14:43, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename? Alt merge?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:34, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, if kept then rename per WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
First choice: Merge to Category:17th-century Christian martyrs for Marcocapelle's reasons and small size. Second choice: Rename to Category:17th-century Quaker martyrs Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 07:20, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jamiroquai remix albums

Propose merging Category:Jamiroquai remix albums to Category:Jamiroquai albums

Nominator's rationale: Only contains one redirect. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 02:59, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support merge for nominator's reasons Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 07:15, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. -- Just N. (talk) 11:11, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:42, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Football Clubs owned by Redbull

Propose renaming Category:Football Clubs owned by Redbull to Category:Association football clubs owned by Red Bull

Nominator's rationale: Improper capitalization, lack of spacing, and ambiguous. Raskuly (talk) 02:46, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. LibStar (talk) 02:55, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Listify, barely a defining characteristic and the page is already a list anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:50, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Listify for Marcocapelle's reasons Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 07:20, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Listify per Marcos reasons. -- Just N. (talk) 11:12, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We also have Category:Red Bull sports clubs and teams. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 16:02, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All articles of Category:Football Clubs owned by Redbull are already in that tree too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:51, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Listify per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:42, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Entertainers from Akwa Ibom State

Propose merging Category:Entertainers from Akwa Ibom State to Category:People from Akwa Ibom State by occupation

Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. underpopulated with only one category in it ^SMason_Garrison 02:20, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge This is an unneeded layer of category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:26, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 05:06, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support merge because the current situation does not help navigation Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 07:14, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. -- Just N. (talk) 11:13, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:43, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gambelia

Propose splitting Category:Gambelia to Category:Gambelia (lizard) and Category:Gambelia (plant)

Nominator's rationale: Currently, the category mixes two genera (Gambelia (leopard lizards), and Gambelia (plant)). 1857a (talk) 02:13, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 05:05, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support split for nominator's reasons Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 07:21, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. -- Just N. (talk) 11:14, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:43, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support as proposed. However, the split categories will be rather small; an alternative would be to delete the category and put relevant articles into Category:Crotaphytidae and Category:Plantaginaceae. Plantdrew (talk) 03:45, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Persian Armenians

Rename Category:Persian Armenians to Category:Armenians in Iran
Nominator's rational We have several categories that use Foo in Booian Empire, such as Category:Serbs in Austria-Hungary. The general view is that using 2 demonyms is very confusing. The reason to switch from Persian to Iranian connects with our article names. This will change the scope though. The heading of this article says "[Armenians]] who were born in or lived in the Persian Empire under the Safavid dynasty (1500–1722) to the Qajar dynasty (1794–1925)." That is an irregular heading for sure. Persian Empire is actually a redirect to Achaemenid Empire which ended in 332 BC. The polity the Safavid dynasty ruled is entitled Safavid Iran in our article. Why this scope. A more logical scope would be to have Category:Armenians in the Timurid Empire and then have Iranians in Iran cover people from 1506 on, including those in the less stable period between the collapse of the Timurid Empire and later. Although I have doubts that there are enough biographies we have on Armenians in the Timurid Empire to justify splits along these lines in Category:Medieval Armenian people. Since roughly 1500 is normally seen as the end of the Medieval period using the fall of the Timurid Empire to start the scope of Category:Armenians in Iran might make sense, although I am wondering if including any Armenians in the Timurid Empire in the Armenians in Iran Category might make sense. The category evidently currently excludes people from the 72 year period between Safavid Iran and Qajar Iran. I have no idea why. I am also less than convinced that the fall of the Qajar dynasty in 1925 is a reasonable place to end this category. I think we could have Armenians in Iran cover people up to the Present day.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:09, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We do have Category:Armenian people from the Sasanian Empire. That is the Empire that is wiped out as the armies of the Calif overrun Iran. That category has 25 articles. It lasted on the order of twice as long as the Timurid Empire. That maybe could be a sub-cat of Armenians in Iran, but I am not sure.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:14, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. -- Just N. (talk) 11:16, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:44, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mozambican women engineers

Propose deleting Category:Mozambican women engineers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Panamanian women engineers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Paraguayan women engineers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 01:30, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete These categories are in the appropriate engineers categories and other women engineers categories so we do not have to delete them.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:24, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 05:03, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support delete for John Pack Lambert's reasons Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 07:22, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. -- Just N. (talk) 11:17, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete for now per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:43, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]