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Dwarkesh Patel on X: "I still haven't heard a good answer to this question, on or off the podcast. AI researchers often tell me, "Don't worry bout it, scale solves this." But what is the rebuttal to someone who argues that this indicates a fundamental limitation?"

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I still haven't heard a good answer to this question, on or off the podcast. AI researchers often tell me, "Don't worry bout it, scale solves this." But what is the rebuttal to someone who argues that this indicates a fundamental limitation?
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  • @dwarkesh_sp
    Dwarkesh Patel
    @dwarkesh_sp
    I still haven't heard a good answer to this question, on or off the podcast. AI researchers often tell me, "Don't worry bout it, scale solves this." But what is the rebuttal to someone who argues that this indicates a fundamental limitation?
    4:40 PM · Nov 21, 20233.2MViews
    703
  • @dwarkesh_sp
    Dwarkesh Patel
    @dwarkesh_sp
    Nov 21, 2023
    Full episode, for those interested:
    @dwarkesh_sp
    Dwarkesh Patel
    @dwarkesh_sp
    Aug 8, 2023
    Here is my conversation with Dario Amodei, CEO of Anthropic. We discuss: - why human level AI is 2-3 years away - race dynamics with OpenAI & China - $10 billion training runs, bioterrorism, alignment, cyberattacks, scaling...
    00:00
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    @dwarkesh_sp
    Dwarkesh Patel
    @dwarkesh_sp
    Nov 21, 2023
    examples of what I mean ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…
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    @dwarkesh_sp
    Dwarkesh Patel
    @dwarkesh_sp
    Nov 22, 2023
    Best answer so far:
    @ericjmichaud_
    Eric J. Michaud
    @ericjmichaud_
    Nov 21, 2023
    Replying to @dwarkesh_sp
    tl;dr: Maybe learning simple things (basic knowledge, heuristics, etc) actually lowers the loss more than learning sophisticated things (algorithms associated with higher cognition that we really care about), and the sophisticated things will eventually be learned as scaling
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    Eric J. Michaud
    @ericjmichaud_
    Nov 21, 2023
    tl;dr: Maybe learning simple things (basic knowledge, heuristics, etc) actually lowers the loss more than learning sophisticated things (algorithms associated with higher cognition that we really care about), and the sophisticated things will eventually be learned as scaling
    @xuanalogue
    xuan (ɕɥɛn / sh-yen)
    @xuanalogue
    Jun 8, 2023
    I respect Jacob a lot but I find it really difficult to engage with predictions of LLM capabilities that presume some version of the scaling hypothesis will continue to hold - it just seems highly implausible given everything we already know about the limits of transformers!
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