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That's what I said/asked, things like IP addresses, links, and company names aren't copyrightable; if this does violate code, the middle text could just be blurred out: "rooting your systems since 19;)" to "12 May 2026 before everything is leaked." Other than the text I just stated, I personally believe everything else constitutes {{PD-text}. Prost, A.Classical-Futurist (talk) 18:40, 10 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
It's trivial to transcribe the malware note, but why should we when we have ransom notes on Wikipedia‽ PD-text is appropriate. kencf0618 (talk) 21:11, 10 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to give an official opinion on whether or not this file should be deleted. But I do think it is likely PD as it falls below the threshold of originality. It's just text. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page!17:50, 11 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The word "literature" or "literary" is used in copyright law to refer to more than just artistic writings.
https://www.copyright.gov/eco/help-type.html: "Literary Works include a wide variety of works such as fiction, nonfiction, poetry, textbooks, reference works, directories, catalogs, advertising copy, compilations of information, computer programs and databases."
The depicted text is ineligible for copyright and therefore in the public domain because it is not a “literary work” or other protected type in sense of the local copyright law. Facts, data, and unoriginal information which is common property without sufficiently creative authorship in a general typeface or basic handwriting, and simple geometric shapes are not protected by copyright. This tag does not generally apply to all images of texts. Particular countries can have different legal definition of the “literary work” as the subject of copyright and different courts' interpretation practices. Some countries protect almost every written work, while other countries protect distinctively artistic or scientific texts and databases only. Extent of creativeness, function and length of the text can be relevant. The copyright protection can be limited to the literary form – the included information itself can be excluded from protection. — {{PD-text}} on Wikimedia Commons
I think keeping it as fair use is a safer bet, as we need to consider copyright laws in the country of creation. While this was 'published' on the Instructure website, an American company, the work may have been created outside the United States where different copyright laws apply, I think some countries do not have Threshold of originality in their copyright laws. Standard disclaimer: I am not an expert by any means on copyright law, take my judgement with a grain of salt. Mitchsavl-on-public-wifi (main|talk) 00:42, 12 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Note that even if it’s copyrighted in the country of origin, we can still keep it as is under {{PD-USonly}}.
It most certainly is not a piece of literature. It's akin to a social media post, which there is no copyright there. Not to mention, if it was copyrighted, then it would belong to the hackers, who are not going to take Wikipedia to court. MountainJew6150 (talk) 20:54, 13 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Move — not only does this text only have four sentences, it's not a literary work. It just informs the visitors of the Web site about the situation similarly to how any other hacker would do. It isn't written with any charm, interesting language, originality or uniqueness and isn't the product of creativity. Nutella lover • [chat│supervise]14:37, 16 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you mean, @MountainJew6150. However, this is a matter of principle. Obviously, ShinyHunters is not going to drag the Wikimedia Foundation to court. But just because there will not be legal reprecussions for this, does no mean we should ignore the rules.
There is also a commons dr being discussed in [1]. I've seen a one file "Shinyhunterscanvashackmay7.png" deleted that I listed at deletion requests. IMO, I would say Keep in Wikipedia as a fair use. Artemhao (talk) 07:26, 12 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
It should at least be fair use:
It falls squarely within the enumerated purposes of "criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research" (17 U.S.C.§ 107).
As for the four factors, #3 goes against this because we're reproducing the whole thing, and #4 is unclear (is there a black market for defacement/ransom note templates, if that would even be recognized in court?), but #1 and #2 are presumably in favor of this.
Also, given that the authors are undercover criminals:
Would they even want to try to sue, given that doing so would probably lead to at least some of them getting caught? (Though I guess they could try to hide behind a lawyer?)
FWIW, since the formatting involved is minimal but it has multiple sentences of language, I think we should evaluate this as a textual/literary work rather than a graphical/artistic one.
Yes, and I'm not sure to why it would also be up for deletion even if it is copyrighted as it would be under fair use. If music albums can have their detailed artworks images up for WP:NFCC#8, this HTML page with CSS should stay at its page. The image is also the popular one in discussing the hack throughout media as well.
More on that copyright via reiterating the other folks, I don't think they would try actions against WMF because it would lead to them getting recognized in court and because of that anonymity, it might just be an orphan work. Gemdation (talk) 00:02, 16 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Relicense as {{Freedom of panorama (US only)}} only if @VitoxxMass: is willing to freely license the photograph right now instead of upon the expiration date of the copyright of the building itself. Right now, that sentence in other information implies the photo itself is not freely licensed. Based5290 :3 (talk) 06:33, 9 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Concerns regarding origin and validity of image: the source listed on the file is an SPS/OR Twitter account which is not a reliable source. The original publication location is listed as Iran Wire, but there is no indication of that in the tweet. I found the image in two other places, Iran HRM (which seems sketchy imo) and The Telegraph, which also does not attribute an original source for the image. Furthermore, when running the image through Google Gemini's SynthID program, the image comes back positive (I tested the version used in the file and from The Telegraph), which adds even more concerns to whether this image is authentic. I am unfamiliar in the FFD area, so apologizes if this is incorrect- also not saying that the image needs to be deleted, but all of these factors combined raise serious concerns on the credibility of the image. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 01:31, 6 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
If the question is the authenticity of the child's appearence then it's simple to prove its him, as his looks have also been confirmed by in-sources within Iran itself, one of the examples being the video in one of the cited sources itself:
[2] This source by TABNAK shows that the visual match, not only that, but offers different photos of the child even with its family. The mother and father are even shown.
Fars News also shows these results, and footages of the funeral too:
An user-published (not fit for wiki publications) example being :[3]
There is no strong evidence the image is fabricated, and it is consistent with independently verified depictions of the same person.
VitoxxMass (talk) 02:07, 6 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Neither of these links load for me, however if they verify the authenticity of the photo then I have no issue WP:AGFing, although I'd still appreciate the opinion of outside editors. Thanks for the additional info. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 02:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
You’re welcome. That said, if the image remains a point of concern after further evaluation, I would not oppose replacing it with a still taken directly from the TABNAK footage or other verifiable video sources, as those would have clearer provenance and sourcing. VitoxxMass (talk) 02:44, 6 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I would make that assumption. It's cited as "Karel Richter, Agent of the German Intelligence Service, 1941-1942 (KV 2/31)", and then it links to asset# 43835, which doesn't appear to exist. I wonder if it's not from the archives themselves. –DMartin (talk) 18:22, 6 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The file summary states that this image was taken from this source: http://www.albertmerolagallery.com/duane-slick.html, however it is not located on that site (it was taken by an iPhone on April 4, 2026), therefore the source is incorrect. Additionally, it is not at all indicative of the artist's work who is well known for their imagery of coyotes and other Native American themes, therefore it is NOT indicative of the artist's work; And there is no discussion whatsoever in the article about the image (no contextual significance). It does not contribute to the readership's understanding of the subject. Netherzone (talk) 23:36, 5 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now. Rationale is valid, and I believe the implication from the uploader is that they took the photo when it was publicly displayed? But It doesn't seem overly clear, it would be nice if @Pixelated Glitch: could clarify. If there are better examples of the artist's work then you can upload it and replace it. –DMartin (talk) 18:25, 6 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
No relevant renewals related to the 1962 Daytona 500, NASCAR, or any other plausible search term, meaning this can be moved to Commons. Based5290 :3 (talk) 21:47, 27 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The Times-Union did not receive copyright renewals. The photos on the page are likely AP photos, which also did not receive renewals. This can therefore be moved to commons as a PD-scan of a public domain work. Based5290 :3 (talk) 21:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I'm trying to understand the mental gymnastics you are going through to justify deleting this and I'm having a really hard time. Leicester v. Warner Bros. clearly established that architectural details (which stained glass windows obviously are) are allowable under US freedom of panorama. You seem to agree with that. OK so far. But you think because pre-1990 buildings in the US had NO copyright protections that the windows (which we agree are an integral component of the building) somehow magically gain stricter copyright protections and lack the freedom of panorama than they would have had if they had been created if they were built post-1990 because of Leicester v. Warner Bros.? There is no case law, statute, or legal principle which would suggest such a thing. It defies all common sense. IronGargoyle (talk) 03:44, 14 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@IronGargoyle that is per Clindberg's insights on the undeletion request. But do note that this is not a US work. It is a foreign work made before AWCPA (AWCPA is not retroactive) and there is no immediate evidence that images of this stained glass were also published in the US within 30 days after it was unveiled (I assume it was in 1954, the same time the church was completed). Thus, its US copyright was restored through Uruguay Round Agreements Act. Do note the Leicester ruling relied on AWCPA, which is not retroactive. Pre-1990 buildings are PD under US law, yes, but any associated architectural art embedded within (stained glass for example) are bound for the pre-1990 rules. JWilz12345(Talk|Contrib's.)04:41, 14 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
And again, US FoP only applies to post-1990 US buildings. All pre-1990 buildings are public domain. Concerning the attached artworks, only post-1990 architectural art elements can be freely reproduced through Leicester ruling, citing AWCPA. AWCPA does not cover pre-1990 ones, and therefore common pre-1990 US copyright rules cover those architectural elements. Foreign elements, like this Philippine stained glass, are unfree courtesy of URAA. JWilz12345(Talk|Contrib's.)04:43, 14 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I can see you are extrapolating this bizarre theory from an offhand comment by Clindberg which does not have any supportive evidence behind it. I am well aware that it is not a US work, but we are following US law on English Wikipedia. You bring up URAA, but URAA does not restore copyright on this building (as buildings were not copyrightable in the US in 1954) and this window is an integral part of said building. Of course AWCPA is not retroactive. AWCPA is what gives post 1990 buildings their copyright protection. If AWCPA was retroactive, US buildings prior to 1990 would have copyright. The main finding of Leicester v. Warner Bros. involved AWCPA but it did not rely on AWCPA. The main finding was that architectural elements which are integrated with the overall work have the same level of protection as the overall work and that is retroactive to a time when architectural works were not copyrightable works. IronGargoyle (talk) 05:53, 14 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Re-license as non-free by default, especially if "no consensus" at the end – Without clearer and consistent interpretation, hard to tell whether the depicted subject is free to use at this time, despite the photo's copyright status (as the photo itself, not the building or stained window). The "Keep" votes probably assumed this is a deletion discussion somehow... right? George Ho (talk) 11:58, 21 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
You can't just take a wacky legal theory and say that because a couple people believe it that this is evidence of a lack of consensus. If this was a real thing there would certainly be supportive case law, and there's just not. The straightforward and logical interpretation of Leicester v. Warner Bros. holds here. IronGargoyle (talk) 04:16, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The nominator said this:
do note that this is not a US work. It is a foreign work made before AWCPA (AWCPA is not retroactive) and there is no immediate evidence that images of this stained glass were also published in the US within 30 days after it was unveiled (I assume it was in 1954, the same time the church was completed).
Even if there's hesitancy to enforce URAA, being a non-US work plays a factor here. However, the stained windows have been still part of the building made before 1990. Perhaps an international law also plays factor in this. Oh... Realized just now that it's part of a Philippine church. In the Philippines, buildings may lack freedom of panorama (c:COM:FOP Philippines).
Unsure why you're citing the case, which the nom said:
The main finding of Leicester v. Warner Bros. involved AWCPA but it did not rely on AWCPA. The main finding was that architectural elements which are integrated with the overall work have the same level of protection as the overall work and that is retroactive to a time when architectural works were not copyrightable works.
@George Ho I base this on the non-applicability of the Leicester ruling for the pre-1990 artworks that are components of the pre-1990 buildings. @IronGargoyle again, Leicester is based on the spirit of AWCPA, which is not applicable for pre-1990 works. As such, pre-1990 architectural elements can be protected, either through registration for pre-1990 architectural elements in the US or URAA for foreign architectural elements. I'm still convinced of @Clindberg:'s reasoning at c:Commons:Undeletion requests/Archive/2025-01#File:The Good Shepherd Stained Glass Window Salem Baptist Church Logansport KY.jpg. To quote from Carl, "The ruling was that the architectural copyright -- which only applies to buildings completed since 1990 -- overrides the previous situation, where buildings themselves had no protection but "conceptually separable" works attached to them could. For buildings completed since 1990, attached works are now just part of the architectural copyright. The ruling does mention stained glass windows as being in the same realm, though the ruling wasn't specifically about those. However, for buildings / windows completed before 1990, the older protections may still exist, since they are outside the scope of the new architectural protections." Perhaps not a single Wikimedian has tried to search for possible copyright registration or marks on pre-1990 US architectural elements at SIRIS, to validate the non-applicability of Leicester for pre-1990 elements. JWilz12345(Talk|Contrib's.)06:11, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
George Ho's concern about this being a non-US work is completely a non-issue here as per the consensus that formed {{FoP-USonly}}. JWilz12345's point about SIRIS is absurd and simply trying to obfuscate the issue. SIRIS entries indicating registration for a pre-1990 architectural work would be completely meaningless because those registrations would have necessarily occurred before Leicester v. Warner Bros.IronGargoyle (talk) 08:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Even "FOP-USonly" has a warning notice: Do not use this template on copyrighted public artworks (like statues, sculptures, and murals)! If you're gonna treat the stained glass windows like merely part of the building/ architecture, then I can't stop you. Nonetheless, hard to take the view into consideration when the windows have exquisite artwork with enough originality to garner some protection (as an artwork), especially in the Philippines.
Also, being tagged as "FOP-USonly" shouldn't prevent the file from being (re)licensed as non-free, should it, even when the photographer released the photo into the "public domain"? George Ho (talk) 09:52, 26 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
A stained glass window which is part of a building is theoretically protectable in the US, yes, but not protectable from 2D reproduction. I couldn't make a physical replica of the stained glass, but I can take a picture of it. That's what {{FoP-USonly}} and Leicester v. Warner Bros. are about. You ask why it can't be relicensed as non-free? It shouldn't be relicensed as non-free because it is free under US law in its current 2D form. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:08, 27 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Especially as an admin of this project, you're willing to disregard opinions of Carl and of the OP, right? (Dunno whether your arguments resemble WP:IMRIGHT sentiments, honestly; the essay uses simple examples.) George Ho (talk) 18:17, 27 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
What does me being an admin (here and/or on Commons) have to do with anything here? I'm not disregarding the opinion. I read the opinion carefully and found it to be interesting but lacking in logic and evidence. I feel that I have a responsibility to argue vigorously against such arguments because their legal opacity might itself convey a veneer of legitimacy to those who are not well-versed in the minutiae of not just image copyright but also freedom of panorama. It is not like Files for Discussion typically attracts a wide audience and many participants. You mention WP:IMRIGHT, but I think that applies more on the other side. I've repeatedly asked for case law evidence subsequent to Leicester v. Warner Bros. which would have undoubtedly resulted if Clindberg's interpretation was correct. Nothing has been offered in response. As you can see from my talk page, JWilz12345 has nominated a fair number of files I've uploaded to English Wikipedia for deletion. Sometimes I make mistakes, and I've rapidly agreed to deletions in the handful of cases where these mistakes have been pointed out with evidence, but the judgement in these repeated nominations has not always been sound [in my opinion] and so I am not going to give JWilz12345 carte blanche here. The bandwagon fallacy is particularly to be avoided here. Consensus is important, but evidence and legal reasoning is particularly important when it comes to image copyright. I worry that [what I perceive to be] JWilz12345's intense interest in patrolling freedom-of-panorama-relevant images (particularly from the Phillipines) may sometimes cross over into ownership tendencies and produce a tendency to latch onto any novel argument that would seemingly justify further opportunities to delete architectural images. The problem is that the argument here does not actually pass legal muster. IronGargoyle (talk) 11:08, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@IronGargoyle: "I worry that JWilz12345's intense interest in patrolling freedom-of-panorama-relevant images", is a false accusation against me. As you have seen, my nomination rationale is based on an opinion by a longtime Commons user who is heavily involved in copyright matters. Perhaps Carl's and your opinions diverge into two different perspectives concerning the retroactivity issue of AWCPA's FoP provision, but accusing me of "further opportunities to delete architectural images" is just plain wrong. Of course, I don't have the right to nominate images for deletion due to the enWiki's adherence to the lex loci protectionis principle under the US legal system. False accusations must also be avoided. JWilz12345(Talk|Contrib's.)13:44, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I felt that I framed the statement as being my interpretation of your behavior and my own personal opinions and worries. Maybe the first part of the statement was framed as being overly a statement of fact as opposed to just representing my opinion. I apologize for not framing it more as a statement of my opinion. To correct that, I have clarified the statement above with brackets. Given George Ho's query about I why I don't believe the opinion of multiple editors (after making clear that I did not disregard it out of hand), I did feel that the scope and history of your nominations of files I have uploaded was important to address, but in retrospect the statements you highlight are probably off-topic enough to not be helpful here. I have struck it. IronGargoyle (talk) 14:33, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Just as a background, from the Leicester case text: [The district court] declined to construe the 1990 amendments as Leicester urged, to leave intact the previously authorized protection for sculptural works that were "conceptually separable" from the building of which they are a part, concluding instead that the intent of Congress was to substitute the new protection afforded architectural works for the previous protection sometimes provided under the conceptual separability test for nonutilitarian sculptures (such as gargoyles and stained glass windows) incorporated into a work of architecture. Accordingly, the court entered judgment for Warner Bros. Leicester has timely appealed. Before 1990, architectural works were not given any protection at all. To allow some protection of artistic works attached to buildings, it was generally recognized that "conceptually separable" works did get protection. The 1990 law giving protection to architectural works changed that; Leicester was arguing that the older protections should still exist in addition to the new architectural work protection, but the courts decided that was not the case. However, since pre-1990 buildings are still not protected at all, so that "conceptually separable" logic should still hold for older buildings. That is a bit fuzzier for foreign buildings though -- the window would have been PD immediately due to publication without notice. The URAA could have restored that, but did it restore the architectural work too? The wording of U.S. law however does not seem to apply the architectural copyright to pre-1990 buildings anywhere, but rather gives restored works the protection they would have had in the U.S. had they not fallen into the public domain. For a "conceptually separable" stained glass window (the court even named that specifically as an example of conceptually separable) on a pre-1990 construction, it seems like it would have a U.S. term of 95 years from publication. The text of the court case has a lot of discussion, referencing the House Report on the 1990 law which recognized the previously-available conceptually separable protection -- with somewhat ambiguous discussion there, which the court had to decide. Not sure I can find a copy of that online. Note that there was another case where a mural was added to a building later on; that was not considered as part of the architectural work. Carl Lindberg (talk) 19:17, 25 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
That's an interesting theory, but it has zero case evidence supporting it and it doesn't make any sense. The idea of the central finding of Leicester v. Warner Bros. not applying retroactively to works under a more lenient earlier copyright regime has no logic whatsoever. There would need to be evidence and case law to go down such a crazy path, and I am sure that if any such case law existed, JWilz12345 would have found it. IronGargoyle (talk) 08:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Um... the entire theory of the judicial decision is that the new architectural protection replaced the protection previously available for works incorporated into a building. The new architectural protection only applies to buildings completed after December 1990 -- it's explicitly non-retroactive. Existing buildings did not gain that protection. You are trying to argue that Congress simultaneously denied the new protection to older works, but then also eliminated the existing protection on them too? The original law (section 706) towards the end, says: The amendments made by this title apply to: (1) any architectural work created on or after the date of the enactment of this Act [December 1, 1990]; and (2) any architectural work that, on the date of the enactment of this Act, is unconstructed and embodied in unpublished plans or drawings, except that protection for such architectural work under title 17, United States Code, by virtue of the amendments made by this title, shall terminate on December 31, 2002, unless the work is constructed by that date. Carl Lindberg (talk) 14:22, 26 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Congress made AWCPA explicitly non-retroactive in 1990, but the main legal principle from Leicester v. Warner Bros. which allowed 2D reproduction of integral building elements is retroactive. It would make no sense if it wasn't. Again, there is no evidence of non-retroactivity presented here besides that of AWCPA. This non-retroactivity theory for the legal principle at play is a legal crystal ball which has no case law behind it. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:19, 27 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The legal principle from Leicester v. Warner Bros was that Congress decided that incorporated pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works (at least when incorporated at the time of construction, and considered "part of" the architectural work) fall under the new protection that Congress gave architecture in 1990, and replaced the older protection they used to have. If you say the ruling was retroactive, and Congress stated that there is no such architecture protection for buildings completed before 1990, what protection for incorporated pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works is there on buildings completed before 1990? The limitations used by the court only exist for works created in 1990 and onwards. The ruling was that copyright protection was replaced, not that the previous protection was incorrect, therefore not overturning previous rulings on such protection. The ruling states: Classification of the Zanja Madre as an architectural work is critical because unlike PGS works, architectural works are afforded a more limited copyright protection. If such architectural protection (and thus classification) did not exist before 1990, then earlier works cannot be protected by it, meaning they must still be protected as PGS works, basically. I'm not sure how such a ruling could be retroactive before 1990 -- that is nonsensical to me. The ruling states: If this interpretation is correct, the former doctrine of "conceptual separability" as it applied to pictorial, graphic or sculptural work embedded as part of a building, has been modified by the 1990 amendments. The court adopts this interpretation of the Act. But since the Act only changes architecture from 1990 going forward, then the previous doctrine cannot be changed for older works -- and nothing in that ruling supports such an interpretation. The House Report on the 1976 law (page 55) mentioned: A special situation is presented by architectural works. An architect's plans and drawings would, of course, be protected by copyright, but the extent to which that protection would extend to the structure depicted would depend on the circumstances. Purely non-functional or monumental structures would be subject to full copyright protection under the bill, and the same would be true of artistic sculpture or decorative ornamentation or embellishment added to a structure. On the other hand, where the only elements of shape in an architectural design are conceptually inseparable from the utilitarian aspects of the structure, copyright protection for the design would not be available. So, those protections clearly existed before (coming with it the gray areas of "conceptually separable", and requirements of copyright notices before 1978). I see nothing which says those don't still exist, in cases when the 1990 protection cannot apply. If they are protected as PGS works, then photos of them would follow the derivative rights rules for photos of normal statues etc. If uses are de minimis or incidental (unavoidable part of photographing a larger subject, like the whole building) photos should be fine -- but photos focusing on the copyrighted work may be an issue. For pre-1978 works in the U.S., the lack of copyright notice in many cases avoids any such problems. URAA-restored works cannot rely on that though. You might make the argument that they were restored as architectural works, but then the protection differs from that of U.S. works, and the URAA pretty much says that restored works get the same protection as U.S. works presuming that notice and renewal requirements had been followed. Carl Lindberg (talk) 15:32, 31 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The basic intent of Congress with AWCPA was to offer some degree of copyright protection for buildings while still allowing for a robust freedom of panorama. The court interpreted in Leicester v. Warner Bros that the intent of Congress included architecturally integral pictorial, graphical, and sculptural (PGS) works in this freedom of panorama. It is true that the previous protection for PGS works revolved around the issue of conceptual separability, but the intent of Congress found in Leicester was that there should be a robust freedom of panorama for architectural PGS work. It would would logically follow from the case that this intent was for all architectural PGS works. While copyright protection for architectural works didn't exist before 1990, pre-1990-architecturally-integral-PGS works are still a meaningful class of work and are still architectural works because they are integrated into an architectural work. Everything you are saying is just your supposition about what you think might be the consequence of copyright on architecture not existing before 1990. It is not a logical consequence (indeed, it would turn the intent of congress and the court's interpretation on its head) and I will remind whoever is reading this discussion that there is zero demonstrated case law of pre-1990-architecturally-integral PGS being protected in the post-1990 world in the way you suggest. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:34, 1 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Congress did not want the new architectural protection to inhibit existing practices of photographing buildings, from when buildings had no protection at all. "Conceptually separable" works were fully blessed by Congress to have protection. They made no pronouncements on freedom of panorama in general; they were more concerned about the new types of works gaining protection. The AWCPA was ambiguous on whether conceptually separable works still get the older PGS protections, or the new ones. Leicester pretty much answered that, in that separable works which are "part of" the architectural works got the architectural protection, and the 17 USC 120(a) limitations that went with them. That cannot have possibly affected anything earlier, as 17 USC 120(a) explicitly can only apply to architecture completed since 1990. Congress did nothing to change the status of existing works. I'm not making this up only by reading the law -- this has been stated by others, though having trouble finding the references at the moment. But it makes sense given that the 17 USC 120(a) is the only section of law limiting photographs of works, and that cannot bee applied to earlier works. Secondly, some other court cases have limited the scope of Leicester a little bit, in that simply being attached to a building does not make it "part of" it. One example isFalkner V. General Motors LLC, which was about a mural painting on an already-completed parking garage. They ruled the mural was not "part of" the architectural work, and is protected as a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural. The parties settled after that ruling. So "part of" does mean integrated in some way, particularly at the time of construction. Before 1990, architecture was not protected at all, so photographing them was fine, mostly. You could photograph separable works if you were photographing the whole building, but photos which focused on those separable works were still a problem. Congress was mostly trying to keep that status quo, and presumably has no issue with the Leicester ruling. But they only altered the protection where other works are "part of" the architectural work -- not for works like the above mural, which are not "part of" the architectural work, and not for pre-1990 works, where there is no such thing as an "architectural work" to be "part of" in the first place. Carl Lindberg (talk) 04:17, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
How strange that you can't find these statements by others supposedly supporting your argument. I think that the last statement in your reply perfectly sums up the absurdity of this line of reasoning: "for pre-1990 works, where there is no such thing as an 'architectural work'". In US law these objects were not copyrightable, but they are and were a meaningful class of work and the main finding of Leicester v. Warner Bros. would certainly apply to pre-1990 architecturally-integral PGS works per the common sense interpretation of congressional intent and court findings I outline above. I will finally add that the Falkner V. General Motors LLC citation has zero relevance here. That case is about a mural. No one is arguing that murals are architecturally integral works. Stained glass windows are. The consensus and longstanding practice on Commons is that murals are deleted and architecturally integral elements are kept where US law applies. IronGargoyle (talk) 16:03, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Keep as is or relicense to non-free? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, thejiujiangdragonT/C00:18, 3 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I want to add a couple of points that I think the closer should consider here. I get wanting to avoid closing this wall of text which has lingered for months and I understand that a combination of credo quia absurdum and legal bafflegab can be quite compelling to some. Novel arguments are interesting, but there was never any evidence provided in the discussion that this counterintuitive legal theory is true. We are also not really talking about just an individual file here. We are talking about a legal principle and the seeming lack of consensus between 5 commenters here needs to be weighed against longstanding consensus both in practice and interpretation of Leicester v. Warner Bros. at Commons, where this wholly novel argument has never been tested or discussed before. Also, I just realized (and this is part of the reason I am commenting again) that this file is an absolutely terrible test case of the argument the nominator raises. Realize that there are only two possible statuses of the work: On one side this is an architectural element. If you believe that argument (as I do) then this is allowable on English Wikipedia because of {{FoP-USonly}}. If, on the other hand, you buy the argument that this is not architectural (which I still think is a wholly wrong interpretation) the work would then be best categorized as applied art. The nominator admits earlier in the discussion that this stained glass was most likely created in 1954. Applied art in the Philippines has a 25 year copyright term after creation (see c:Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Philippines). This means that it was in the public domain in the Philippines well before the URAA date and thus in the public domain in the US as well. Neither interpretation results in a file which should be deleted (or tagged as non-free).IronGargoyle (talk) 15:09, 23 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@IronGargoyle I don't think the courts here have ruled stained glass as applied art. Without affirmative court decision, it's wise to consider these within the bounds of artistic works. IPOPHL's copyright bulletins implicitly treats buildings (architecture) as fine arts by counting the public domain status based on 50-yr. duration from the year of the architects' deaths, not from the duration used for applied arts. See, for example, page 6 of the IPOPHL Copyright Bulletin issue for Jan.-Jun. 2025 (Vol. 5 No. 1-2). Mentioned there: Pablo Antonio's buildings would fall out of copyright in 2026, including many theaters and school buildings. I am pointing out that not everything that can be treated as "applied art" in the West can also be treated the same here, copyright-wise. JWilz12345(Talk|Contrib's.)23:47, 23 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Either way it's free in the US. I find it interesting that your standard of evidence changes though. You demand "affirmative court decision[s]" showing that stained glass is applied art (not an extraordinary claim), but you happily accept the extraordinary claim of pre-1990 architecture not being architecture without a shred of legal evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but even a shred of evidence would be nice here. Credo quia absurdum is not actually a sound argument. IronGargoyle (talk) 15:07, 24 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
There is reason to believe this file is actually free, at least in the US.
The five cartoons on the thumbnails are by Carlos Latuff. Latuff has released the copyright to his cartoons per here.
The WikiLeaks logo was released under a free license per here.
The map screenshot is from OpenStreetMap, which is freely licensed per here.
Other than the above, the web design itself consists of simple shapes and short excerpts of text.
Due to a lack of clarity about where the website is currently hosted, the file should not be moved to Commons. Rather, it should be marked as a free file on enwiki and have its file size set to normal rather than minimized. ―Howard • 🌽3314:43, 10 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Note: the bottom left Wikileaks logo may not be free, as I could not find a free license for it. This may need to be censored if the file is set to free. ―Howard • 🌽3314:49, 10 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - If we find the file to be non-free, I believe it might fail NFCC#8 since the screenshot doesn't really add much to understanding nor is discussed in the article, and its rationale says it is meant to "illustrate". Rose Abrams (TCL) 12:19, 10 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The earliest I can see that this was created is 1946 according to Reddit and per commons:Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Poland, terms run to the end of year meaning that this was copyrighted on the URAA date of January 1, 1996 by a literal goddamn year. The old 50 year term applies since it's not a photograph (and, to be clear, I think the retroactive nature is absolute BS). It's out of copyright in Poland, but not in the US because of blasted URAA. I could very well be missing something as I only checked online sources since I can't read Polish for offline sources, but I'm not confident enough to move this to Commons myself so I reverted my close. I also saw that there's a claim that the artist actually made this poster, but I couldn't find any kind of evidence towards this besides art resellers and those aren't reliable. Sennecaster (Chat) 04:34, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: According to the Institute of National Remembrance (Instytut Pamięci Narodowej), this poster was first seen in February 1945, placing it just before the URAA date. However, the artist Włodzimierz Zakrzewski died in 1992, so using the rule of "70 years after the author's death" this would still be in copyright. But there's another question - why wouldn't this be a "public domain Polish government document, material, sign [or] symbol"? -- Reconrabbit (talk) 17:22, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Remain as non-free per findings by Reconrabbit. "Material" is too vague. "Poster" is more like it as it's neither a "document" nor a "sign" nor a "symbol". Also, despite uncertainty, let's assume that the Twin Books court case applies (Cornell chart) if pre-2003 publication didn't feature this poster. George Ho (talk) 17:38, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning toward moving to Commons – As I see, it was previously considered non-free (old id). Upon evaluation, I can see just plain colors, lines and a circle forming together, and simple(?) shapes. By the way, how about WP:Twinkle software next time for FFD listings? George Ho (talk) 09:37, 15 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Since the deleted revision has been undeleted, I am requesting closure of this ffd since it seems there is agreement that the design currently at the file page is below copyrightability threshold. Discussions about whether the image should be overwritten and with what can happen at Wikimedia Commons just as well as they could here, so that shouldn't be a blocker. Arlo James Barnes21:11, 11 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Suggesting Delete. This is a logo that has been identified as being in the public domain as it "consists only of simple geometric shapes or text". Looking at the logo, I am not sure this argument is sound. McPhail (talk) 09:35, 25 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Move to Commons per given copyright expiry date on the file page. Crown copyright expires after 50 years and applies world wide. Based5290 :3 (talk) 22:53, 25 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak move to Commons for both This photo has unambiguously fallen into the public domain in Canada as it was created before 1949. The American copyright status is technically up in the air, but I would presume that it was published in some yearbook of some kind before 1931, leading to it falling into the American public domain. While the online University of West Toronto archives don't seem to go back far enough for their own works, another image of Hadley Williams marked as under copyright was published in 1928, supporting this idea. Based5290 :3 (talk) 20:03, 26 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Commons for both. This definitely seems like the sort of image that likely had publication, though narrowing it down may be frustrating. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 20:22, 26 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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This fails the irreplaceability requirement of NFCC#1. The "look and feel of the animation effects" can be replicated by any animator and then licensed freely. There is no reason that the visual effects that are discussed must be exemplified by an actual lootbox game, instead of a free-licensed imitation thereof. Rose Abrams (TCL) 08:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Free content exemplifying a smilar videogame mechanic As an example, consider this imitation of a videogame's battlepass, made entirely from free content. Similarly, a free-content imitation of lootbox's visual effects could be created. Rose Abrams (TCL) 08:07, 27 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There is sourced discussion of how the look and feel of opening a loot box affects the psychology of wanting to play more to earn more loot boxes. While one could create a free image of a loot box opening, using an example of one specifically developed and noted as an example where the design has been significantly refined is meant to draw the player to buy more is not going to be easily replicated in a free replacement, in contrast to the battle pass concept where the draw is of showing the two tiers and the rewards being missed out on by not buying the premium tier path. Masem (t) 11:23, 27 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Image is claimed to be public domain due publication before Jan 1, 1931, but there is no publication information to show this is actually the case. Whpq (talk) 03:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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This statue was installed in 1962. In general, permanent public display with no attempt to stop photography before 1978 in the United States constitutes publication. Therefore, this would have required renewal around 1990 to retain copyright protection, but no such renewal occured. Therefore a free use picture of this statue is entirely possible to create. The photo itself is non-free and should be deleted. Note that even if this statue is still copyrighted somehow, a WP:FREER version could be created (a freely licensed photograph). Based5290 :3 (talk) 10:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
This can be moved to Commons. In general, permanent public display of a work of art prior to 1977 where no attempt to stop copying through photography or some other means is made constitutes publication. This would have required renewal around 1967 or 1969 to retain copyright protection, but no such renewal occured. The statue is public domain, so this can be moved to Commons. Based5290 :3 (talk) 10:12, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
This photo is copyrighted, and, per WP:FREER, we ought to use a freely licensed photo, even if the underlying work of art is still copyrighted.
The file page states that the bust copyrighted, but I have reason to believe otherwise. The linked Flickr account shows several angles which seem to indicate there is not a visually apparent copyright notice on the statue. In general, permanent public display of an artwork before 1978 constitutes publication, so the lack of notice would inject this artwork into the public domain. Based5290 :3 (talk) 10:25, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The image says it was sourced from Instagram - no indication if this was an official artist or label source etc. The listening at retailers uses the album cover as it was released/promoted as part of the album's presale, as opposed to a separate listing at digital retailers. >>Lil-unique1(talk) — 23:01, 9 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This is claimed to be the cover for the single, but I really see no evidence for this. The source link is dead. References to this song, as noted by the nominator are in relation to the album and use the album cover art work. Assuming this image really was posted from an official account, it does not appear to be in use for identifying the song in any marketing for it. As such, it really does not fulfill the purpose of visual identification even if this was from an official Instagram account. -- Whpq (talk) 17:55, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Whpq Not sure why Carey removed her post, but I convince that it is from her official account since I uploaded this image. I found her tweet for this, and also I assume that naming it "Promotional graphic" would be enough for keeping it. What's your think? Camilasdandelions (✉️) 02:56, 29 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
GreenLipstickLesbian Please see my reply above. Do you think labelling it as "Promotional graphic" would not appear to be OR then? I've seen various articles using "promotional graphic" for the "visual identification", which made me believe it was fair for "Sugar Sweet" either. Camilasdandelions (✉️) 02:56, 29 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I don't believe that a run of the mill promotional image or graphic like this one fulfills the role of visual identification, given that it was only used a few times and there's no evidence that the subject is actually identified by that graphic apart from two instagram posts. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸19:58, 29 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not accusing you of making up the image; I have seen the same picture on her Instagram. I'm just saying that there's no evidence that it's anything more than just a promotional picture. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸20:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
While the statue is quite likely in the public domain due to age, a free picture of this statue can be produced; it's a public piece of art in a public location. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸06:24, 29 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The original video in question is not released under a free license on either the primary Japanese nor American official Youtube channels. For further arguments, please see [7] I am not comfortable of using those images that have copyright issues. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 23:20, 29 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Keep @User:TheSilksongPikmin I feel this ongoing discussion here (seriously how to commons discussions keep going THIS long for AfD's?) highlights that there's still some argument against the commons upload of that material, and still no official word from Capcom whether or not they intended to release the copyright on this material.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:34, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I have considered this for a while, but as far as I can tell everything points to the Capcom France not having legitimately released the videos. ―Howard • 🌽3321:39, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Dozens of fair-use Capcom video game images that can be replaced with free images
All of these images are fair-use Capcom video game screenshots, fair use image is not needed as Capcom France has released multiple game content trailers under Creative Commons, we can simply use frames from them instead of these fair use images.
c:Category:Videos by Capcom France is the category in question.
The large amount of retro game screenshots listed here can be replaced with frames of collection trailers.
Note that I do not really have the time to scour every single collection trailer, especially for games like Capcom Arcade Stadium, so this list is actually incomplete. In general though, this should be kept in mind for those arcade games as we do have free CC licensed Capcom Arcade Stadium & 2nd Stadium trailers.
I also understand that it will take a lot of time to scour Capcom France's videos to find good replacement frames, but under Wikipedia rules it is worth it as fair-use should only be used if there are no free alternatives. Do not worry however, I did make sure that all the files listed here realistically can be replaced via a trailer frame, based off their titles and the contents of complilations.
While the replacement makes sense, I would not use the normal FFD process for these becuase of the scale being asked for here. Its not a simple one-to-one swap in most cases, so this needs to be handled with some care. They should be flagged that they are replaceable, and I would give a reasonable deadline, like 3 months, to complete that before deletion. Masem (t) 02:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The original video that was tagged at Capcom France is not released under a free license on either the primary Japanese nor American official Youtube channels. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 06:10, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per my argument at the Leon S. Kennedy entry; it's up for question and not been confirmed if Capcom France's youtube channel had any authority to release those videos without a copyright license, and the material is already under an existing AfD.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 06:57, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Going a bit further over the Woody discussion Silksong mentioned above, I'm rather confused that was even allowed to pass: a similar statue for Vault Boy was deleted per discussion here, and the license even states it may not be valid in the United States, due to the status of it being a copyrighted character.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:10, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Because there have been other instances with cases like Vogue Taiwan where they haven't been. There's still a whole ongoing discussion, and that's going to lead to a massive problem if we wholesale replace images.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 11:18, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There is reasonable doubt Capcom meant to release the videos as Creative Commons, given they were released under a copyright in America and Japan. People at Commons don't seem to be following the precautionary principle despite this, claiming that the Creative Commons selector was not possible to press by accident. This has since been disproven. I believe this is a violation of the rules and following the precautionary principle, express permission from Capcom needs to be gained. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:36, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Fair use rationale is wrong, as the infobox uses the new logo. I don't think there's much value in retaining this historical logo. Based5290 :3 (talk) 10:56, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to be AI-generated. Source appears to be a deleted social media post. SVG wrapper for PNG. Appears to read "PLASTC MAN" instead of "PLASTIC MAN". Perspective of the letters appears off. This page seems to have what the logo should look like. Gert7 (talk · contribs) 11:24, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
It's okay, but please note that, in most cases, things like logos, quotations, names, titles, etc. should exactly replicate the original, and not be enhanced or updated unless necessary, in which case the modifications should be explicitly labeled.
Delete: afaik common practice is to use the first edition cover for book infoboxes, and this is a 1993 reprint with a new cover. Nevertheless, if we were to follow this practice then File:Cover of Quotations From Chairman Mao (1964, 1st ed. red binding).jpg should be the replacement img as it is a cover of the first edition with red binding (per here, a variant without the red binding was also published, but it's more famous as the "red book"). ―Howard • 🌽3321:04, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Issue with Commons and several Disney character articles
So recently, the images for Woody (Toy Story), Buzz Lightyear, and Jessie (Toy Story) were all replaced with images from Wikimedia Commons from a Chinese amusement part, cropped down to just the characters. The images are as listed below:
It was argued that these should replace the fair use character renders, as they are a "free" depiction of the character. But I feel there was a significant oversight in this regard: these are not free-use in the United States. More specifically, the US does not have panorama copyright laws that China does, and Wikipedia, especially this branch, operates in the United States. That's why each of those images has template stating such. So while Commons may recognize it as a valid free image under Chinese copyright law, we are currently using it to represent copyrighted characters on an American front owned by an American company to boot.
That's why I wish to propose than the previous deletion was in error in oversight of this. Even per a discussion on Commons, it's addressed that the license may be in question for use here.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:06, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that seems to be the issue. But in that case we'd be better off going back to the renders, as they are the best representations of the characters.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 10:09, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind about whether the venue is wrong or right. Right now, seems that the initiator/OP of this discussion withdrew one's own deletion nominations on these images at Commons. Well, the non-free images of the Toy Story characters were deleted (per individual listings at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2025 July 17, which I congratulate you for that) and then replaced by the Commons images that the OP took to DR discussion. @Kung Fu Man: Good luck trying to convince a closing admin or others at WP:DRV about how "irreplaceable" the non-free images are. George Ho (talk) 14:00, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@JohnCWiesenthal This is the right venue. The problem is on Commons they are valid... free use in China, while marked as fair use for America, which the licensing on commons reflects; that's why they can't be removed there. Wikipedia, as you'll see from the discussion, handles things differently. So the question is not how Commons is handling it, but we are and whether the Chinese free-use status supersedes the American fair-use copyright on our end, as a US-based website. Do you follow?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:36, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@Kung Fu Man: Commons actually does not allow fair use images (see c:COM:FAIR USE) and requires images to be free in the US and their country of origin (if different). Rather, the current consensus on Commons (per c:Template:Not-free-US-FOP) is that source country FoP does apply also to the US according to an (untested?) legal theory. If you want to argue that this legal theory is wholly invalid, you would have to litigate this at Commons. ―Howard • 🌽3321:20, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I should note that the whole question of whether source country FoP also applies to the US was the subject of this long RfC. You would probably have to start another RfC on Commons to overturn it. ―Howard • 🌽3321:26, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This logo has until recently been included in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, Auckland inbox, but recent edits to Template:Infobox church means it was lost. The church became the Auckland Anglican Māori Mission in the 60s and is now known by many as Te Mīhana Māori and the logo is the key identifier on their website[8] and social media channels.
Logos are important references in some church articles, especially as internet church continues to grow and church visual identities become more recognised, prominent and useful encyclopaedic references. St Paul’s Cathedral in London launched a sophisticated new identity last month.[9] That cathedral building is world famous, but their new identity and logo demonstrates churches are more than buildings. And, like St Paul’s, many churches have had multiple main buildings over their histories (plus offices, halls, houses etc). Many church activities happen outside the confines of those buildings (eg arenas, private homes, studios, publishing including online, social media channels). Logos represent all of a church’s locations, activities and history, the same as most other modern institutions: like universities and museums.
Church logos are valuable for people connecting to churches online through their websites or social media by providing additional visual reference, recognition and accessibility to those unfamiliar with buildings alone. As noted at Wikipedia:LogosMany images of logos are used on Wikipedia and long standing consensus is that it is acceptable for Wikipedia to use logos belonging to others for encyclopedic purposes.E James Bowman (talk) 23:51, 22 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
It being in the infobox isn't relevant to if it should be accepted as non-free content. The primary means of visual identification for the subject is the building, just like with the example of St Paul's Cathedral.
WP:LOGOS primarily concerns businesses, the part most relevant here is WP:BANDLOGO. If the logo is so important there should be independent secondary sources discussing it, and that could justify its inclusion, but the reason you gave on the NFCC criteria is for visual identification, of which this is wholly unnecessary for such a purpose. Traumnovelle (talk) 01:15, 23 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Several editors—including you—have worked on the article since the logo was added to the infobox in 2021 and haven't expressed any concern with it being used as one of two primary means of visual identification. Note, the other Auckland Anglican mission, Auckland City Mission, has a logo and a building as its two primary means of visual identification also.
I can't see anything in Wikipedia:Logos saying it "primarily concerns businesses", as you claim. The licensing for this logo says "This is a logo of an organization, item, or event". Wikipedia:Logos applies to all of those. The 'Band logos' section isn't relevant as the church isn't a band and the church's logo is in the article as a primary means of visual identification. E James Bowman (talk) 07:03, 25 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I was never aware of it being non-free media until now. Auckland City Mission is not a church, its a trust most well known for charitable efforts.
A logo isn't the primary means of visual identification for a church, much like a band and should only be included based on analysis in secondary sources. Its quite clear [10] that the logo is not the primary means of identification, that belongs to the building. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:30, 25 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The decision on whether an infobox parameter is appropriate isn't relevant to whether this is justifiable non-free content or not. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:36, 27 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Keep While buildings are more important for churches than many organizations, they're ultimately organizations and are frequently identified by their logos. And, ultimately, much more similar to corporate logos than the logos of musical acts. Just because we have a picture of a museum or a school (communal spaces that are very much defined by their building) doesn't mean we don't have pictures of their logos; they aren't equivalents. This church in particular does seem to be identified by its logo (my google image search results are very different). NFCC3a doesn't apply, given that there's only one non-free file in the article. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸17:39, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The image entered the public domain this year but can't be moved to Commons because of a hidden file revision. Can an admin move the file or remove the hidden file revision so it can be moved? Streetr4 (talk) 18:45, 10 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Commons The country of origin for the purposes of Commons is the country of first publication, not the country where the photo is taken. This photo was likely taken within a few days of publication, so it is reasonable to take the US as the country of origin. Additionally, {{PD-UK-anon}} is likely to apply anyways, especially if the photo landed in American newspapers which were unlikely to have individual authorship beyond "AP photo" or similar. Based5290 :3 (talk) 06:54, 12 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Commons despite the objections of the "copyright holder". URAA wouldn't apply because a) South Vietnam never seems to have signed onto the Berne Convention and b) the Socialist Republic of Viet Nam would deny copyright protection to this work, making it PD in the US as well. Based5290 :3 (talk) 06:54, 10 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
While the logo at the top isn't copyrightable (and is already on Commons), the text below is far, far above the threshold of originality. We wouldn't tolerate it being inserted verbatim into an article; it's no better encoded onto an image. —Cryptic00:49, 8 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The logo was tagged as being protected protected by copyright and being used under Fair Use for several years until I uploaded it to Commons and nominated the ENWP upload for SD. If anything it shows how ENWP have been slapping Fair Use justifications on virtually any logo with zero regard if the rationale is even valid in the slightest, knowing there is no consequences Trade (talk) 06:08, 10 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Delete file and upload it to Commons. The text shown in the screenshot consists of short, generic descriptive phrases with no real originality or creativity. There are tens of thousands of in-arricle quotes on Wikipedia there are far longer and more complicated than what is being shown here meaning the whole argument for Fair Used have no basis in any ENWP policy or copyright law anywhere in the world. In other words, the short phrases depicted are noncopyrightableTrade (talk) 06:13, 10 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find the case but I believe a phrase that was something along the lines of '(Organisation) are awarding the player of the year (or something similar) after (team versus another team), so congratulations (person name)' managed to qualify for copyright. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:43, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I believe this logo is in the public domain in the United States. It appears in the 1970 and 1971 media guides without a copyright notice, forfeiting copyright protection. If the vectorization is copyrighted and not freely licensed, then this file should be deleted as it is replaceable by a free vectorization. If the vectorization is not copyrightable or is freely licensed, this can be exported to Commons. Based5290 :3 (talk) 04:20, 8 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The applicable template for the underlying photo is actually c:Template:PD-South Korea-photo-1977. The uploader likely wasn't sure about the threshold for originality for text in Korea and uploaded it here locally. Maybe c:COM:VPC might have some insight. If there's no consensus about ToO for text, Keep as PD in the US. Based5290 :3 (talk) 18:42, 4 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Anonymous photos are PD in Spain 70 years after publication by current law, but given lack of actual sourcing we can't know for sure whether it's anonymous (risk of license-washing via extraction or transfer from more complete item into archive or file-sharing site). However, given Pedro María Arsuaga has been dead for 13 years, a case could be made for fair-use non-replaceability, retained here on enwiki if it's deleted from commons via c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Pedromaríaarsuaga.png. But, I think the lack of sufficient source detail puts out-of-bounds for fair-use.DMacks (talk) 11:12, 3 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Protection is possibly 80 years if anon-published or author-died prior to 1987. Google image-search found it at [11]. I can't read Spanish, and I don't think that this modern-day publication is sufficient to support that it was published within the 70-year window. But I think that's a sufficient source to make this retainable on enwiki as NFC. Conversely, if it's kept on commons, obviously delete it from enwiki as redundant. DMacks (talk) 11:20, 3 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
(Weak) keep – I appreciate the concerns about similarities with that of If I Know Me (album), but I'm doubtful that being similar affects the cover art's contextual significance to the song. Rather it's more about its compliance with the "content" criterion. Still, failing contextual significance just because it's derived from or similar to the parent album cover seems... perhaps prejudicial, IMO. (Let's compare American Pie (song) and American Pie (album) if WP:OTHERIMAGE doesn't invalidate this part of the argument.) --George Ho (talk) 19:57, 30 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
No objection to this, as long as the Commons file persists and will not be deleted in the future. My recollection is that the Commons upload was either not possible, or less likely to be accepted, back when I uploaded this image over 18 years ago. See also what I said here. Carcharoth (talk) 20:57, 29 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, this is the historic photograph and is not duplicated by the "replaceable by" a different angle, this is not just a photo of a particular moment but a known image. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:03, 27 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I originally nominated this for removal from Birmingham campaign, but I think it probably doesn't meet NFCC even at Charles Moore (photographer). There is already one (public domain!) photo showing that Moore photographed the civil rights movement, and I don't think the photo of protestors getting sprayed with water is given enough attention to warrant the inclusion of the non-free photo. Based5290 :3 (talk) 02:09, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Remain as non-free – No proof yet that the publication in both Sierra Leone and the US was simultaneous for it to be URAA-ineligible. Also, no known date or year of creation yet. Presumably copyrighted still in the US, despite its copyright status in Sierra Leone. George Ho (talk) 05:11, 7 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It has become increasingly common that one-off Youtube videos have been put up as evidence of "apparent authority" in declaring an otherwise copyrighted image to be copyright-free. The problem is that this view has been totally contradicted by evidence in this later discussion, in which people have argued that the release of a video as Creative Commons does not render null and void the copyrights of the characters or logos contained in them. As far as I know there is no proof this was purposefully released under a free license. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:33, 28 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Brazil's threshold of originality is very high. I wonder how the US Copyright Office would judge a logo like this. I uploaded locally for precaution, but I want a thorough and proper discussion on this logo. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 21:48, 25 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
While this is probably above the US TOO, I am not sure if this is above the French TOO. If it is, then this file should be marked as {{PD-USonly}}, and if it isn’t, then this should be moved to Commons.
Star walker (talk) 07:56, 17 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps ineligible for Commons per c:COM:PCP. Standards of c:COM:TOO France can be quite contextually vague, despite lots of words there. As I see, nonetheless, the court found the word paradis with gold lettering above the bathroom door copyrightable. Uncertain about its US copyright, but the bar is high, if not very high, per c:COM:TOO US. George Ho (talk) 15:57, 30 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Do not transfer to Commons until c:COM:Guatemala is very clear about Guatemala's threshold of originality. Perhaps re-license as free in only the US since the lines and shapes forming some face or chicken-looking embryo(?) are just very simple, but I could stand corrected about that. --George Ho (talk) 05:12, 14 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
This logo appears to consist solely of the text “CIO” and a very simple graphic design, which may fall below the threshold of originality required for copyright protection. As such, it may not qualify as non-free content and should be evaluated for deletion or reclassification
I want a discussion about whether this logo is above or below the threshold of originality and how the US Copyright Office would judge such a logo. Someone also uploaded a raster version of this logo to Wikimedia Commons, which I nominated for deletion as a way to start a discussion about this logo. You can have your opinion. If it's below the threshold of originality, the vector version will be moved to Commons. If it's above, the raster version will be deleted from there, and the vector will be kept locally at English Wikipedia as a fair use logo. You can also join the discussion at Commons here. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 14:14, 15 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The argument, I believe, is that the country of origin for this work should be considered the US, so this image should be moved to commons rather than locally hosted. Based5290 :3 (talk) 07:24, 15 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I thought about (reluctantly) favoring transfer to Commons as "simultaneously published", but it seems hand-painted, and the green background resembles some canvas board or something like that. Perhaps I'm too nitpick-y on this? George Ho (talk) 08:39, 26 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
This is in a bit of a weird spot. It's a German magazine republishing an image which may be hosted on Commons for the reasons outlined at File:St Paul's Survives.jpg. I'm not sure about German copyright and threshold of originality, but this can certainly be relicensed as PD-US-free if the block of text next to "Die City von London brennt!" is blurred. I'm not sure about a move to Commons, but I personally would not consider this a derivative work of the image in a legal sense. Therefore, we could have something like PD-text for the components of the German magazine (minus that block of text) and PD-US-no renewal for the image for a move to Commons. Based5290 :3 (talk) 02:08, 13 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
This is the UK cover, so UK ToO should be applied. This quote feels a bit too...flowery (?) to not qualify for copyright protection in the UK, and I suspect even US copyright would agree. However, the American cover has a much stronger case for being a PD, with the two quotes being trivial in terms of creativity and the geometry being simple. Therefore, Delete and replace with the PD US cover. Based5290 :3 (talk) 07:14, 10 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Re-license as PD-USonly – The way the author's name and the book title have been used may make the book cover original enough for UK copyright. Not just these, the way the quote is emphasized would also raise the cover's originality scale. Doubtful that the US law would give the cover some leeway or something like that. —George Ho (talk) 19:10, 10 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Re-license as PD-ineligible-USonly for now until Commons deems it okay to use in the project. If "kept" there, then this logo should be exported to Commons. George Ho (talk) 15:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]
(From top) Frame 1, 3, and 5 are PD, but some are probably not (not published in Life or anywhere else, I think). The PD frames are suitable replacements for the collection as a whole. Based5290 :3 (talk) 02:23, 28 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Why does the file description say it's under Crown copyright? That makes no sense. By the way, CCTV footage is considered a "cinematographic work" in Canada, so it would not be public domain here. MediaKyle (talk) 11:14, 30 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:NFCC#2, because it's a low-resolution image. A 300x300 image isn't going to take away any commercial opportunities from Bravo or Getty. Not sure if WP:GETTY applies. Getty distributes lots of photos owned by others. This one is credited to Bravo. Given it's use as the image on Apple, this is similar to an album cover, so fair use in the context of the season (but nowhere else). WidgetKidConverse04:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, almost forgot: If a photo belonging to NBCUniversal appears on Getty Images, most likely NBCUniversal—which currently owns Bravo, NBC, and Telemundo—has very deep commercial interersts in that photo. (Not to be confused with Comcast's spun-off company Versant.) George Ho (talk) 17:26, 26 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think Bravo/NBCUniversal's commercial interest in the photo is disputed. Them having a commercial interest is different than us taking away from their commercial opportunities, which I don't think we are by displaying a 300x300 low res pixel version. WidgetKidConverse17:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Even being 300x300 didn't stop such images from being deleted. A use of an image seen on Getty Images should either, in certain circumstances, follow... or fail WP:GETTY. George Ho (talk) 19:04, 26 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]
According to https://blogs.lib.unc.edu/hill/2016/05/12/the-history-of-the-university-seal/, this seal design was adopted in 1944. Therefore, copyright renewal around 1972 would have been required for continued protection, but no such renewal occurred, meaning the logo is public domain. This can be moved to Commons (unless the vectorization itself is copyrightable, in which case this should be deleted as a free vectorization could be made). Based5290 :3 (talk) 09:33, 1 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.unc.edu/posts/2025/11/05/the-universitys-new-mark-is-anything-but/ shows several much older public domain designs resembling this logo. The 1930 license plate, in particular, proves to me that even if the logo could have received copyright protection, it no longer has it; derivative works generally have to clear a much higher bar to receive copyright protection independent from the underlying work. Simply curving some lines does not seem to meet that threshold. This should be moved to Commons. Based5290 :3 (talk) 09:25, 1 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Somehow didn't notice on first read, but the 1892 picture shows a logo on a sweater with an even closer design (perhaps even the same design?). Based5290 :3 (talk) 09:46, 1 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'd also say that 1892 picture shows the exact same design. In that case I'd say you're probably right that the mark falls into the public domain. Bailmoney27talk13:06, 2 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The logo only consists of lines to form a basketball and the letters A and S. I think it is simple enough for it to be moved to Commons due to it being under TOO. MarcusAbacus (talk) 14:15, 2 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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A photo of the exact plane involved could be replaced by a similar-looking Seneca. Philippines gov't works are not protected by copyright, so if there is a government photo of this plane, that could be used I suppose. JayCubby23:34, 17 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I agree with the nominator that if a picture of the aircraft is needed, it's served by any one of the many images we have in Commons:Category:Piper PA-34 Seneca. Hence it fails WP:NFCC#1. However, if somebody wants to do the legwork (and lives in the Phillipines), then there appear to be many government-created images of the search and rescue efforts, which include pictures of the plane. [13] has one, credited to the Gazette Facebook page. The Gazette Facebook page also posted an entire series of images of search and rescue efforts; somebody with a Facebook account can probably do better than I can at accessing them [14]. This is, again, and NFCC#1 issue. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸00:44, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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I nominate this logo as the original uploader. I consider that it fails NFCC policy #8 since the current logo is displayed on the infobox. No contextual significance that justifies its presence. This logo does not add any relevant info to readers' understanding of the article topic, . Fma12 (talk) 11:13, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Human spaceflight: Same issue as above; free alternatives are readily available to illustrate this broad topic. Fails WP:NFCC#1 and WP:NFCC#8.
Alexei Leonov: A free portrait already exists. This image appears in a gallery, which WP:NFG explicitly disallows for non-free content. Fails WP:NFCC#1.
I'm not willing to assume there's no creativity in the placement of the camera to take this image, so I'm not going to assume that it's public domain. With that out the way:Remove from Extravehicular activity and Human spaceflight as obviously decorative, hence failing NFCC#1 and 8. Remove from Alexei Leonov as we have other images illustrating him. Keep in Voskhod 2, as a picture of a historic event for which no free alternative can be created, and for which our current non-free photos ( a stamp and a picture of a museum exhibit) don't provide an adequate educational substitute. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸17:54, 31 May 2026 (UTC)crossed out a word at 00:04, 1 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
As an image by a commericial photography studio being sold on Reuters, I believe this fails WP:NFCC#2 as, ultimately, we're using the image for the exact same thing that a photo agency/commercial photo website is selling the image for. (See WP:PRESSPHOTO ). GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸17:40, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The original credit line states "Rosalie O'Connor Photography/Handout via REUTERS". That means it's a handout photo by Rosalie O'Connor Photography and given to Reuters, who then subsequently published it. The photo isn't by Reuters staff and isn't available for licensing their website. ―Howard • 🌽3320:21, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@Howardcorn33 Was going to do a slightly longer response, but then I got side tracked and realized - I don't think I can find a copyright notice/registration for the Apr 9th 1987 edition of The Beaumont Enterprise , which has a photo of Burmann, has a copyright notice, and I'm not seeing renewal within 5 years. The copy I'm working from is looks like it was scanned with a potato, but it's looking like we can deal with this now under the much easier WP:NFCC#1. Which, tbh, we know that anybody active in the public sphere in the US during the 1970s/1980s probably has a free photo availible of them, just not available easily to Wikipedians on the internet. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸20:54, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
To be replaced, yes, but I'd like to find a better quality scan. Until then, at least this conversation has been simplified to "Given that we know there's a public domain image of this person published, is WP:NFCC#1 met?" GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸21:09, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Probably, although I prefer to have the file available first, even if it's a low quality scan. At least you can overwrite the file later when you do find a better scan.
@Michael0986: the fair use justification states "A free contemporary image would not convey the same information." Why do you believe this to be the case? ―Howard • 🌽3320:10, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
David Roback passing away in 2020 is the primary reason for a "contemporary image" not conveying the same information. The image I uploaded isn't that great quality-wise, a bit too grainy really. But at least it shows Mazzy Star as the public recognizes them I guess. Michael0986 (talk) 05:16, 1 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Mugshot was published at least by 1934, as seen on this wanted poster: c:File:Dutch_Schultz_Wanted_Poster.jpg. Therefore it would've needed copyright renewal (assuming it was even published with valid copyright notice). As far as I can tell the NYPD does not appear to have renewed their copyright for any mugshots. Thus it should be moved to Commons with c:Template:PD-US-not renewed. ―Howard • 🌽3320:05, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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